Originally Posted by luilui

Not a chance, if you can't even get a team of real players you have no business playing in HA.

Look who's whining here, "Nobody want to play with me please get me some henchies so I can play T___T". It is hard for pver to get into HA or any PvP in general that's not because u do pve, it's because you are not good enough for that particular game style. If you want to get into a team go observer mode and observe, why should anyone waste their time to teach you? That's just as stupid as someone expect you to farm 10 green weapons for some complete stranger.

Henchmen are not good enough for HA, they are there to make up the number so losers like you can actually click "enter". If you read the other post you'll see everybody can beat heroway.

2 weeks later you'll realise you cant win with heroway and u'll start crying again, then Anet might have to improve the your hero friends' ai so they'll actually ping on the map telling you where to go ping the target u should be on and ask u to use a specific skill and u may eventually stop crying.

It's people like u that screw up HA. You go in and expect to get fames and get ur cool deer, if u cant u cry and blame the high rank players that dont let u leech their team. If you really enjoy the game you should just go in and play the best u can, if u lose u think about why u lose and learn from ur mistake, see what others do and learn from them, try to understand the game better, be a better player. Every high rank player have done this. You need to understand the fun of HA (or PvP or the game in general) is not that getting the fame/reward, it's the game itself.

I just cant understand those saying they cant get a team because they are unranked, why cant they just go make an unranked team? Please please tell me the reason.

Originally Posted by Mr Seph

Have you ever played HA before heroes? How can you honestly say you learn more from Heroes, that dont say anything to you, then from PUGS, that have actual people saying you what you might be doing good or bad?
Try saying to a hero that he has to use prot spirit more, or has to preprot constantly.

The thing will still be, if you play with heroes, they will act in 1 particular way, during the entire battle, not adepting to new situations, like a real player team could do.

What i still keep seeing from the people adoring heroes is that this way, they can get rank this way, and will be able to join the better groups. Think again.
The better groups dont take random pugs that they have never heard of. They take people from their friends list, or from guild. So, when you get that higher rank, i dont think Dunkoro will start pm'ing you to join his group. People can be rank 11 for all i care, but if i dont know em, or nobody else from my team knows them, there is a small chance that he'll get into the group. Cuz, and this has been said so much more already by other people, there are r6+ friends list/guild groups beating up the r9+ pugs easily. The only reason for this is the good teamplay they have build up together, they know how everyone functions in the team.

And seriously, stop whining about how you cannot get into the higher ranked groups, cuz of elitism or something. Everyone has been or is in that situation, you think the people who are rank 11 today were taken into r9+ groups when they were r2-3? Hell no. And if its that hard to get into groups, make your own groups. Thats what i used to do when i was r5-6-7. This way, i got known by other people, and they started asking me for their groups, which got me in those better groups in the end, and got me into a better guild.
Playing with heroes will not get you any connections among guild wars community in HA. I havent seen anybody saying: 'Wow, that heroway is good, lets get that person into our group/guild'.

If you are solely going for that lovely deer emote to flash into PvE, yes, heroway will be the fastest way to get that. But will it get you into better groups in the future for HA? Not a chance.

What will happen is, you finally reach that desired rank with heroes, lets say r6. You go find yourself a pug that is r6+. You will join that group cuz you can, but the people in there will know you are not as good as your rank tells you should be. And what will happen you think? They will throw you away like an old tissue and never ask you again.

The thing i advise to lower-experienced players, is to play the profession you like most for X-amount of months, really get better in it, and you'll get those better groups. Save the good people from every group in your friends list, and try playing with them more. This way, you get better and better, and you'll build up a good friends list with better players.

You wanna keep playing with heroes and end up a r9-10+ person with not alot of experience and nobody really wants to play with you cuz you cant play up to the expectations of those true r9-10+ people? I think not.
If you truly wanna become a better player, you'll play with real people in your team, and some of those people will rage at you, cuz yes, everyone makes mistakes, and so will you. But when people rage at you, you learn new things, or maybe you'll teach other people new things. Cuz people, thats how interactive gameplay works.

You will get rank eventually if you keep playing, there is no denying that. Fame doesnt go away if you lose. Its just the way how you get the rank that inflluences your future PvP-play.

Originally Posted by Lord Mendes

I am going to say this for one last time, rank means jack SHlT. If a ranked party is forming in ID1, chances are it most likely sucks. Unranked/r3+/r6+ parties all seem to play at the same lvl, especially on the maps that count most (courtyard, sacred, HoH).
The good players form parties straight from their f-list and guild list. PUGs are a huge part of HA, but if you look at the ratio of Pugs to guild teams in HA, then look at the ratio of Pugs to guild teams winning halls, you will notice that there are fewer guild teams, but they seem to win halls much more often.

Play RA/TA, then join unranked FoTM HA groups getting 10 fame a day. Then make fellow unranked friends, and play with them. You will eventually get your bambi and if you like HA, you will keep playing. Then, you will start/join an "ok" pvp guild with their friends experimenting with different and less cookie-cutterish builds. They will progressivly get better and eventually win halls under your name/guild name. Soon after, you will realize that fame is totally irrelivant since you are easily taking down higher ranked players and getting pointless fame. Those that kept grinding cookie cutter builds until they got their tiger are losing to henchway.

Point is, play with good friends you know can play, join a PvP guild, or try to get some of your PvE guildies to try out HA (I was in the PvEest guild in guildwars and got my rank 3 from playing with these guildies). Practice what you are good at, and if you really are good at what you do, i am 100% sure you will get pms every night 2 join your buddies' HA teams.

I think i've posted this on another forum, but when you reach this stage you will soon realize how stupid you were for crying on the forums because you couldnt find a group when you were unranked. Also, after beating many incompetent r6 pugs, you will notice that you never missed out on anything and that rank means very little. You will hate rank and hope it gets erased.